No one in the world has swagger like us.
In response to Lady Gaga’s heinous and miserable attempt to appropriate the burqa. It’s disrespectful to muslim women who actually do wear the burqa and no, she’s not doing anything for us by wearing it in a very sexualized manner in the name of fashion. There is nothing that will justify what she did and how she did it. This is REAL burqa swag.
Yeah about a pretty as staring through an unwashed window at the universe outside. Sorry I hate all religion equally, I am an Atheist and frankly your costume, which it is, is just a way to demean: Verb:
- Cause a severe loss in the dignity of and respect for (someone or something).
- Do something that is beneath one’s dignity.
women and their higher and more important role on this earth. So no respect, you don’t deserve it just because you wear your burka. When you enlighten yourself to the reality that you are being treated as a second hand citizen of this planet I will respect you. Otherwise you are a sheep.
And no, I don’t care if I offend, I am an equal opportunity offender as is my right when I see ignornace.
look, a white man telling me i’m oppressed and a “sheep”
Dear White Atheists,
This is why nobody likes you. Please shut up forever.
Ugh. Bolded. OP looks fabulous and strong and like she could kick White Atheist’s ass any day. <3
YES I can continue saying this now.
Which is not to downplay the marginalization of atheists, which is very real, but it does create a problem, especially for women. The outright hostility and blatant misogyny I see among (predominantly white, male) atheists is disheartening, and the internalized misogyny among so many atheist women who are trying to fit in and be taken seriously is just heartbreaking.
dislike! So many reasons! This is such bullshit, seriously.
Where do you see this? If you are talking about “elevator-gate” then that is one incident of behavior… and honestly, I have had girls ask me similar questions in situations where “i cant escape,” and it was awkward, yes.
What was most remarkably sexist about Elevator-gate was not the actions of the guy in the elevator—his were just ill-advised, and Rebecca Watson’s advice of “don’t approach women like this, especially when they’ve just talked for hours about how they don’t like being approached like that” was eminently reasonable.
What was remarkable about it was that the sheer number of dudebros who came out of the woodwork to call her a bitch and threaten to rape her. It was remarkable the number of guys who popped in to say, “Oh, that’s no big deal. I’ve had stuff happen to me like that with girls, and I didn’t mind” in spite of the entire point being that what is an “awkward” experience for a man can often be a scary or threatening experience for a woman. It was remarkable that Richard Dawkins himself showed up to basically say “Quit your whining. If you think that’s bad, try living in Saudi Arabia for a while,” and it was remarkable the extent to which people rallied around his sexist comments.
And maybe you hang out / are forced to be around some misogynistic athiests, and if so, I’m sorry. Sexism is wrong regardless of the context.
I’m not “forced” to be around sexist atheists. I’ve stopped following the blogs and stopped entering the spaces that were the most unpleasant. Which is of course part of the point of my original post. Because they are so unwelcoming to women, many atheist spaces and discussions have become/remain dominated by [mostly white and upper-class] men. Because of this, many atheist women gravitate toward forums where they will be welcomed, included, and treated like equals—or at least more like equals than we are treated as in atheist spaces.0
Of my friends that hold sexist positions, almost all of them belong to the christian far right, where women are told they cannot preach, cannot teach people with fully developed (18+) minds, and should submitt to their husbands in all matters. Not to bash Christianity, but just to point out that in a broader context lots of groups have issues with this, some significantly more so than Christopher-Hitchens-wanna-bes.
If I punched you in the face and gave you a black eye, I don’t think it would be very comforting to you if, when you (rightfully) complained, I said, “Oh yeah? Well, at least I didn’t knock you down and kick you in the balls and spit on you like that guy over there would have!”
Yes, millitant atheists can be dicks. I’m sorry about that, I have issue with it too. But making giant statements like that without any substantiated evidence behind them is not justified.
Just wait. I’m working through answering some more responses to this, and I’ll present more evidence before I’m done.
Also, just because you don’t personally experience sexism or misogyny (what with being a man and all) doesn’t mean that the experiences of others don’t count.
And again, to clarify, I’m not talking about all atheists everywhere. I’m talking specifically about movement atheism, primarily as it relates to atheist communities (especially on the internet) focused around atheist causes.
I would not touch movement atheism with a ten-foot-pole that had a condom on the tip, and it’s largely because of bullshit mansplaining like that load of crap up there.
Oh, and the bald-faced misogyny. WOOOOPS.
I don’t even identify as an atheist and I still sense this kind of misogyny going on in those communities. Though I won’t go too much into it as, as I said, I don’t actually belong to them and therefore can’t speak from personal experience. That person up there seems to be though, so stop the mansplaining.